Sad day for bow hunters .... :(

[aqua pimp]

I do fish with skrimp every now and then but for the record, Croakers be not allowed in my boat!!!!! Never have and NEVER WILL.

AQUA PIMP

[007]

LMAO.......Lord Aqua Pimp fishes w/ live bait at the jetties....

and Moonpie would fish w/ Satan, (like the rest of us) if he thought he'd catch more fish. And because he looks like Obama isnt his fault. He cant help that.

Why haven't I ever seen you post a report?

[JT]

LMAO.......Lord Aqua Pimp fishes w/ live bait at the jetties....

and Moonpie would fish w/ Satan, (like the rest of us) if he thought he'd catch more fish. And because he looks like Obama isnt his fault. He cant help that.

[007]

Y'all must have me confused with that other Moonpie guy.

I agree with your comment about this whole thing being about bringing in more money.
Deer hunting in Texas has been big business for 40 years.
The little guy is fooked. So what else is new?

The anti-crossbow rants sound just like the anti-croaker rants.
You do it differently than me so you should not be allowed to do it except like me.
And y'all call me a communist. Sheeesh.

Contrary to what some conventional bow users think not all crossbow users are/will be slobs.
Lord knows there has never been any conventional bow guys who are slobs.
Don't you think this is a little hypocritical?
Maybe YOU as an individual devote time, money, and effort to master the sport. You are to be commended for that.
Where you are wrong is making blanket statements saying everyone else should be disallowed unless they do it just like you.
My way or the highway. Gee thats fair.
The American way is to tell you to jump in the lake and do it the way I want to do it. If that means using a crossbow, scoped muzzleloader, or croaker for bait so be it.

BTW: Who is this Obama person?

Well, for the record, you do fish with live bait. The rest of us don't.


(Disclaimer.....) I am not a hunter, just merely an observer.

[Moonpie]

Y'all must have me confused with that other Moonpie guy.

I agree with your comment about this whole thing being about bringing in more money.
Deer hunting in Texas has been big business for 40 years.
The little guy is fooked. So what else is new?

The anti-crossbow rants sound just like the anti-croaker rants.
You do it differently than me so you should not be allowed to do it except like me.
And y'all call me a communist. Sheeesh.

Contrary to what some conventional bow users think not all crossbow users are/will be slobs.
Lord knows there has never been any conventional bow guys who are slobs.
Don't you think this is a little hypocritical?
Maybe YOU as an individual devote time, money, and effort to master the sport. You are to be commended for that.
Where you are wrong is making blanket statements saying everyone else should be disallowed unless they do it just like you.
My way or the highway. Gee thats fair.
The American way is to tell you to jump in the lake and do it the way I want to do it. If that means using a crossbow, scoped muzzleloader, or croaker for bait so be it.

BTW: Who is this Obama person?

[bountyhunter]

OH, I took you for mean bowsheet meaning bow bs, if that isn't what you meant I'm sorry.

[JT]

Not really sure what you mean about another round of bowsheet, when was the first round?

Bowsheet = Bullsheet. Did that help out?



The whole deal is our state is following the way of the rest of the Big Money hunting states. This is all about money it doesn't matter what the people think.

Ya Think? And its been like that on every hunting, fishing, labor, cattle, oil, gas, auto, land, educational, housing etc... issue in any state, province, region, country since the beggining of time.

And I did see moonpie driving around in Muslim attire last time i was down.

[bountyhunter]

Again, this sounds like another round of bowsheet on an issue most people dont give a rats ***** about to begin with, and wont have a whole lot of impact one way or another on wildlife resourses.

Not really sure what you mean about another round of bowsheet, when was the first round?

Also there are a lot of people that do give a rats arse about this even if you don't. That is the deal, if you don't bowhunt it really isn't going to affect you so you don't care about it. That doesn't mean most people don't care about it, there are a lot more bowhunters out there than you must think there are.

The Lone Star Bowhunters Asso. was fromed to give bowhunters in this state a special season just like a lot of other states in the lower 48. Part of this group (yes I'm a member) protects the rights of the bowhunter in the same manner as the NRA and TSRA protect your gun rights. The LSBA hasn't ever stood up against any form of hunting that didn't affect bowhunting and the Archery Only season. So to make a statement that most don't give a rats arse about this, really means that most non-bowhunter don't give a rats arse, which may be true.

The whole deal is our state is following the way of the rest of the Big Money hunting states. This is all about money it doesn't matter what the people think.

[JT]

I dont know if moonpie voted for obama but he does look a little like him.

You're right ghsmaker, neither is ANY bill passing that will raise mo dough. but its only been like that for the last 6,000 years or so.

Again, this sounds like another round of bowsheet on an issue most people dont give a rats ***** about to begin with, and wont have a whole lot of impact one way or another on wildlife resourses.

[GHSmacker]

I didn't like to see that law passed either, and i have several friends who were equally upset about it.

Here's what they need to do with the crossbows...allow people to use them ONLY if they have some sort of physical ability which disables them to properly use a bow. That's it...someone correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe that's what originally was the law on them.

Hey Moonpie...i bet you voted for Obama too.

Look...why do you think some states in the lower 48 banned robo ducks during waterfowl season. One of the MANY reasons is that it allows people who are not skilled in the sport to go out and kill ducks without knowing the many facets of the sports...IE: calling, decoy placement, concealment, working ducks, flight indentification, solid shooting skills, etc.

I'm not the most knowledgable when it comes to bow hunting, because i don't participate in deer hunting, but i'm fairly sure that crossbows can reach out and kill deer(with proper shot placement) at a greater distance than your average bow.

This bill passing shouldn't be a big suprise to anyone in this state though...deer hunting in this state is a MULTI MILLION DOLLAR industry. It's ridiculous...with all of the high fenced ranchs, $20,000 trophy hunts to kill a single animal, the selling of buck straws for AI on does, feeder usage, fence hunting, canned hunts, television shows, food plots, and whatever else, this is just another way for TPWD to get more people in the woods chasing bambi, and more money in their pocket.

One of the many reasons why i let deer hunting go and switched to waterfowling...you can't fence in the skies.

[bountyhunter]

I don't want to argue either but I do want to discuss.

But I still don't understand why its "bad" to allow crossbows?

Are crossbows not effective? Do these wound/lose deer excessively? Inaccurate?
Not the ones I've seen.

As far as undisiciplined people thats not going to wash.
There are undisiciplined yahoos in EVERY sport! Hunting, fishing, golf, hell I bet there are even cheaters at Solitaire. There are doofusses in every area of life as well as people who do it right.
To paint every person who decides to do it differently than you is wrong. There is no way you can convince me that each and every bowhunter is some kind of Zen Warrior of the Bow who spends his days in the perfection of the Draw. Thats a bunch of hooey and you know it.
And I also refuse to believe each and every crossbowman would be a total and complete dipshit who won't take the time to learn his craft.


Could it be that some people just don't want the competition?

Read my last post slower, and listen to what I'm saying. I said there would be some that would do everything right, that is not lumping all of them in one group. Just like I'll never say all bowhunter do it right but for the most part true diehard bowhunters that hunt with their bows even during gun season do, do it right and are the most displined hunters you will ever find. It is really hard for a non-bowhunter to understand this unless they know a true bowhunter. It is a passion, not a season extension.

Top of the line crossbows ($750-1000+) are effective on deer and hogs out to 50 yards if the person using them practices and practices a lot. I know a few guys that hunt with them due to medical reason and they practice just as much as I do with my bow. You will never convince me that even 50% of the new folks that will hit the woods this fall with crossbows in hand will put in the necessary amount of practice. I would be willing to bet the wounded/lost deer count doubles if not triples this coming October.

There are two seasons each year that really make some one hunt that is Archery Only and Muzzleloader, though Muzzleloader is getting bad with all the new chit folks are allowed to do with their weapons. Up until the time a few years ago when I started having shoulder problems I hunted only with a longbow, I have since moved to a compound, though I could have gotten a medical excuse to use a crossbow I didn't.

Bottom line is the crossbow is an easy way out. Anyone that wanted to hunt during Archery Only could if they put the necessary time in. With a crossbow most of them figure all they need to do is get one, sight it in and the are ready to hunt just like a rifle, well if even rifle hunters spent half the time real bowhunters spent practicing and making sure everything was right, there would be less deer lost during gun season as well. You can call all this BS if you want, but if you really stopped and thought about, even if you don't want to admit to it you know I'm right.

[JT]

sounds like a bunch of bowsheet to me.

[Moonpie]

I don't want to argue either but I do want to discuss.

But I still don't understand why its "bad" to allow crossbows?

Are crossbows not effective? Do these wound/lose deer excessively? Inaccurate?
Not the ones I've seen.

As far as undisiciplined people thats not going to wash.
There are undisiciplined yahoos in EVERY sport! Hunting, fishing, golf, hell I bet there are even cheaters at Solitaire. There are doofusses in every area of life as well as people who do it right.
To paint every person who decides to do it differently than you is wrong. There is no way you can convince me that each and every bowhunter is some kind of Zen Warrior of the Bow who spends his days in the perfection of the Draw. Thats a bunch of hooey and you know it.
And I also refuse to believe each and every crossbowman would be a total and complete dipshit who won't take the time to learn his craft.


Could it be that some people just don't want the competition?

[bountyhunter]

I'm curious. Why exactly is this a "bad" thing?

Gonna play devils' advocate here for a minute..............

1.) It allows folks who perhaps can not use a bow to hunt.

2.) It might bring in more folks to the sport.

3.) All the lip flapping about undisicplined people showing up in the woods with a crossbow is a bunch of snobbish B.S.
What it amounts to is the same claptrap some people whine about on busy holiday weekends out on the bay. Not everyone is a dumbarse.
I read it as essentially as, "no one is worthy to hunt except me because I shoot a regular bow". What a load.
How do you know some fellow doesn't just like crossbows and takes the time to learn to use it properly?
The stereotyping is wrong.

4.) People get old and some have health issues. They may still want to achery hunt. A crossbow allows folks to do this. Don't hate on them.
You'll be there one day yourself.

Asbestos suit on.

I'm not going to get into it over here again but I'll anwers your questions.

1. Not sure what you mean here, but anyone can use a modern bow if they are willing to take the time and effort it requires to practice year around. As far as not being physically able, well they were already able to use a crossbow if they had a doctor's letter. Read the archery section in the 08-09 regs.

2. Bowhunting is more than a sport, it is a way of life. If people were willing to spend the time required they wouldn't go get a crossbow.

3. Undisicplined people isn't any lip flapping. All you have to do is listen to the people that are planning on getting crossbows. They think they are just like guns which is the pure BS. A crossbow is really not much more affective than a compound bow, but I can just see some of these folks shooting at deer 50 to 60 yards and maybe further. It is going to happen because these people are not going to take the necesssary time to know their weapon. If they were going to put the required time in, then they should have just gone with a compound bow. I'm sure there will be some that do it right, but I know that for the most part there will be a lot of hacks in the woods come this Oct.

4. See answer No. 1 - they could have used them before this new law took affect. You see that I the number one problem, very few people took the time to read the archery rules and laws. Anyone that was physically unable to draw a bow and had a doctor's letter could hunt during archery only season with a crossbow.

Reply if you want, but I will not get into another arguement over this subject!

[Moonpie]

I'm curious. Why exactly is this a "bad" thing?

Gonna play devils' advocate here for a minute..............

1.) It allows folks who perhaps can not use a bow to hunt.

2.) It might bring in more folks to the sport.

3.) All the lip flapping about undisicplined people showing up in the woods with a crossbow is a bunch of snobbish B.S.
What it amounts to is the same claptrap some people whine about on busy holiday weekends out on the bay. Not everyone is a dumbarse.
I read it as essentially as, "no one is worthy to hunt except me because I shoot a regular bow". What a load.
How do you know some fellow doesn't just like crossbows and takes the time to learn to use it properly?
The stereotyping is wrong.

4.) People get old and some have health issues. They may still want to achery hunt. A crossbow allows folks to do this. Don't hate on them.
You'll be there one day yourself.

Asbestos suit on.